Emperor/Peccatum April 1999 Mindview
"It's
all about not forgetting the emotional side of being human."
After the
gargantuan success of 'Anthems To The Welkin At Dusk' the musical talents of
Emperor worked very hard on the successor 'IX Equilibrium'. It turned out in a
fantastic piece of art with complex, technical songs which, time after time,
demand your full attention before they unveil their musical secrets... They
used more 80's-metal influences and Ihsahn's voice has evoluated to something
very special. With this new record, Emperor confirmed their superior status in
the genre. Ihsahn has also a lot to tell about his second band, Peccatum,
where he searches for even more wider musical horizons, toghether with his wife
and his brother-in-law. On top of that, Emperor also released a 'split-cd' with
Thorns.... So it was about time to listen to some words of wisdom from this
interesting Norwegian...
What does the titel 'IX Equilibrium' mean?
'It has several meanings, obviously it's a release in
1999, and we mastered it on january the 9th and it took us 9 houres, this was a
coincidende. There were also some numbers in the lyrics that fits to the title
and the main reason is that 9 is the highest number of our numbersystem, it's
also used as the symbol of eternity. 9, Together with the subtitle Equilibrium,
it reflects 'reaching for the highest' about some things. It's the content of
the album in general, both lyricaly and musicaly.'
Do you want to reach the top with this album ? Is
it in that kind of meaning ?
'No, it's more an emotional level.'
Where did you record the album ?
'We recorded it in a local studio, called
« Akkerhaugen Lydstudio » and it's an old friend of ours, who we
played with before we started Emperor. (Thorbjorn, from Thou Shall Suffer -IS).
He built a very good studio, where we got the opportunity to record most of the
cover songs that we have made. It was more like a try-out and it was also close
to home, so we could return in the evening, it took us three months. We didn't
work 12 hours a day, so the environment was much more comfortable to work in
and we had more time to experiment and getting the sound we wanted.'
The biography states that it would be unfair to
call you a black metal band any longer, do you agree with that ?
'To some extent. We use more metal influences in
general, beyond the terms of a preconception of black metal, we used a lot of
death metal influences, some old eighties heavy metal stuff like thrash and
speed and I mean we are old metal fans ourselves. It was a natural path to
bring in more elements.'
So, that's the evolution since « Anthems of the
Welkin at Dusk » ?
'We used some older influences on
« Anthems » as well, but due to the sound they didn't come out in the
same way on this album.'
The album sounds complex and difficult to get into it
right away, how do you explain this ?
'The music has some kind of complex nature when all of
the songs being different from eachother, that's what we feel. I think the
songs are more guitar-based and more technical and on the other hand the
soundpicture is more clear and it's easier to get the details. I still think that
Emperor has that kind effect on people and it's not that kind of album where
you get into it the first time you listen to it. I think that's good, it's the
kind of album I prefer, you don't get bored of it after two times of listening.
It has to grow. I take it as a compliment, if that's the way you feel about
it.'
I detect some vocals on « The source of Icon
e » who sound like King Diamond, why is that ?
'Many people have said that, actually it doesn't pick
a direct influence for that particular vocal, it's something more like Rob
Halford, I'm a big fan of King Diamond myself, but it's more by coincidence
that my vocals, the kind of tone, of course not comparing myself with either
King Diamond or Rob Halford, but the tone that my voice has is more simular to
King Diamond.'
I'm still curious where you get your inspiration to
make such an original album these days, I mean it's so different from other
bands...
'I think that we just follow our natural progression
that we have and that we haven't picked up too much of the latest fashion in
music, we haven't listen to the newest albums that come out and say :
« let's do something like this ». We don't have a direct reason why
it sounds like this, it's just the way we make music, it's very hard to explain
the concrete origine of this and this part, it's more of a mixture of different
impulses we get.'
What are the lyrics about ?
'In general I think the lyrics are much more mature
than they have been before and they are not as rebellion, they are more like an
overview and they're not so critical towards society. Where they are critical,
they might be interpretated self-critical. Many of the scenes in the album are
about emotional quality. In the decadent years we live in where earning more
money and buying a new car is more important than your emotional and spiritual
life. So, it is about not forgetting the emotional side of being human.'
Is there a deeper meaning behind the cover ?
'I can't really say anything else that we found it
appealing and you can find different symbolic values in it, the passage and the
people who are walking on the path. Not everything has to have a specific
meaning. Something is just appealing in its self.'
The picture you made for the biography makes me think
of the chaos symbol on the tree, is this correct ?
'It's a coincidence, these sculptures are part of an
exhibition, and they were made by Samoth's father. We were lucky to use them as
a kind of background. We weren't very satisfied with that photoshoot and we
made new pictures afterwards. It was too late and Candlelight spread the bad
ones for the press. We all have a visual aspect of Emperor when it comes to
pictures, it's very hard to find a special image that you're all comfortable
with.'
Did you find a bassplayer yet ?
'Yes, it's a guy called Tyr, he has no prior
involvement in black metal, he has more been into progressive bands, he is very
skilled bassplayer ,he's very technical and he finds it very well within the
band as well. We are quite lucky with him.'
What do you expect of this album, I mean towards the
press and the fans ?
'From the press, at least so far, it has been very
well received aswell as for the fans. I think that for the older fans, they
will still enjoy « In the Nightside Eclipse » and the « Anthems »
album better, it's also a matter of taste and for the first time we have
changed much, but those things we cannot take them into consideration, when you
make music.'
So you are going to tour soon ?
'Yes, in three and a half weeks, it will be a big tour
with six bands on the bill, during 13 days.'
PECCATUM
When did the idea start to form Peccatum and what
does the band mean for you ?
'It was founded by Ihriel, my wife, and she worked out
the concept and she wrote all the lyrics on the forehand, we discussed it and
she wanted to express what she had written in a more concrete matter. Both
myself and Lord PZ were musicians and we new that we were able to work very
well together, we wanted to make an album. For me it has been a great
experience and both challenging and opening for me. I have been playing
together with Samoth for ten years and being able to work with other musicians
that have very different skills and musical backgrounds than myself, that's a
kind of mingeling, and also the fact to work together with people that are very
close to me on something total new, was a great experience. Musicaly it's a
kind of limitless, towards the kind of influences we wanted to use. The way we
worked and my position in the band is total different and very positive for
me.'
It must be great to play music with the person you
love, and to express that...
'Yes, definitely, that of course is a great privilige
and also now that we are going on tour together.'
Isn't it difficult for you to write music for two
different bands ?
'No, I mean when I write music for Peccatum I feel
like a full Peccatum member and it's the same for Emperor. So, I don't see it
as difficulty at all. For me the bands are so different and I consider myself a
fulltime member of both. Both bands have an equal value to me as a musician.'
Do you all have classical bases ?
'Yes, in classical vocals, Lord PZ and Ihriel are into
classical music and they are both a professional singer, she is also the one
who teaches us because she is professional classical-singing teacher. They have
stronger roots in classical music than I have. We were also involved in the
local metal scene in 1987, so we have more eighties metal influences, it's a
very good combination as we are so different. It has been very exciting to work
with them.'
What can we expect from Peccatum live ?
'We have been dreaming of our first concert, so we are
not able to make a statement of that yet, but it will be quite different, we
are concentrating mainly on getting the Peccatum expressed the way it's most
suitable and getting the full atmosphere in there, but of course we have to use
some playback and we have to hire a session guitarplayer. We all look very much
forward to it.'
Won't you be exhausted after two shows every
day ?
'On tour you get exhausted anyhow, mainly because of
all the waiting and the bad food.'
How do you feel about the « Throns vs
Emperor » album, did it got good reactions ?
'The reactions have been quit good, but I suppose that
for me personnaly, especially with the more industrial parts, I don't really
feel competent enough and it was really the best I could achieve in this area
of music. There are some things I haven't really been able to get a personnal
attachment to.'
How was the cooperation with Thorns ?
'Apart from the contribution for the Thorns cover, the
cooperation has mainly been distributed by Moonfog. We haven't really worked
together with Blackthorn at all.'
In the beginning of Emperor, did you get musicaly influenced
by Thorns ?
'I don't think we have been directly influenced, but
of course, the more music you hear, it always has an indirect influence on you
and we really enjoy the ways he's guitarplaying, it's rather a progressive and
an inventive style. It was quite fun to do the album.'
Do you have something to add ?
'Thanks for your support...'