This interview with Craig Pillard of Disciples of Mockery features
questions by Y. Arkadin.
1. I'll
start with the first question that comes to mind when I think of the band,
namely: What was the deciding factor that led three-quarters of the old
Incantation line-up to reunite and play again? And how did you come in touch
with Mike Boyce from Rotting Corpse?
What led
Me, Jimmy and Ronny together is the fact that we are very good friends, and we
collaborate very well together as a unit!!! We realized that back then, and
that has a lot to do with why we are still together! As for Mike, before we
started D.O.M., Ronny and Mike were playing together for awhile. Mike used to
play in a local death metal demo band called Rotting Corpse from Jersey, not
the one from Texas!
2. Roy
Fox of Necroharmonic Productions helped distribute the three-song promo through
his own label and continues to do so as far as I know (this is where I bought
my own copy). I understand he's going to re-release that same promo along with
the Womb demo, which also features members of early Incantation, pretty soon on
a split release...how did that alliance come about? And how has the response
been to the promo thus far?
Yes, Roy
Fox is going to release a split cd with the D.O.M. 3 song promo, and the 4 song
WOMB demo that was never released in '96. We are actually going in on the deal.
Roy and us are splitting the dubbing costs 50/50 so its easier on both of us. As
for the response, it has been very positive!!! We had only pressed 500 of the
D.O.M. promo cds and they went quick! They were given out for the most part. And
as for the WOMB, Relapse records had released the first song "Bound Fucked
Humiliated" on a compilation cd entitled "UHF/VHF" and we had
very good response from that!! So we figured it would be cool to release the
WOMB demo as a split with the 3 song D.O.M. promo that is now sold out, since
it is a piece of our history that should be recognized!!!
3.
After releasing that promotional CD, you reportedly worked with Paul Crook from
Anthrax to produce the first full-length album, "Prelude To
Apocalypse." Was this his first time working with a Death Metal band? How
did that go?
Paul Crook
is a good friend of ours, and has been for awhile. He worked with us since the
3-song promo, and we felt he would be great for our first full length
"Prelude to Apocalypse"!! And we were right!! He's the best producer
we've worked with!! I wish we knew him back in the Incantation days! He really
knows how to bring out our sound!! As far as this being his first time working
with a death metal band, I believe it is! He really knows his shit!!!
4. You
still haven't been signed to any label and continue to release your music
independently. Is this intentional, or just coincidental? Were you given any
offers yet? Is there any label you'd prefer to be signed to would the moment
come around?
We have
had some offers already but none worth it!! Relapse is working on a contract
with us, but I'll tell ya, it's gonna take a lot better contract than the last
one we had with Incantation for us to sign! Otherwise we don't care if we are
signed. We are fine with doing things our way!! In fact I like doing a lot of
the business myself. I learned a lot through the years, especially about getting
fucked in the music business! It's a shitty business! And we'd rather do it
ourselves, so if we get a good offer we might sign, or we might not!!
5. How
has the reception been live? I know you plan to be involved in more shows in
the future. Are there any places where you'd especially like to play? Any
particular bands you'd like to be featured with?
Live its
been great - though we've only played a couple of places locally and we haven't
played out of state yet. We don't play out too often. We all have very good
jobs, so it is hard for us to play. Don't get me wrong, we take our music
seriously, but we also take the roofs over our heads seriously too!! Right now
shows aren't a priority for us. We bust our asses every day for what we have,
and we don't want to regress into homeless, hungry, metal musicians!!!
6.
Simply judging from the art and song titles, it would probably be safe to say
that Disciples of Mockery subscribes to a strong individualistic and
controversial ideology. The emblem and t-shirt design depicting the hammer
against a red background is a particularly interesting and unique touch. Can
you elaborate on some of these things and what feelings or thoughts you'd like
to transmit to the listener through them?
We like
the fact that our imagery is kind of blunt, and abstract rather than the
typical upside down crosses or pentagrams. You can also say our imagery is a
little ideological in the sense of a socialistic dominating regime!!! An army
of totalitarian view, of utter domination!!!
7.
Craig, you and the rest of the band have obviously been involved in this music
for quite some time now. Looking back, how would you judge the growth of the
scene? What's your view of the contemporary state of the underground, the
increased complexity, the blending of styles and ceaseless variations since the
early days of Possessed, Slayer, etc.?
I hate the
fact that the majority of music nowadays is influenced by hip hop, rap shit!!! It
disgusts me!!! There are very few good bands out there now!! The scene has
definatly suffocated itself into senseless shit!!! I have a lot more respect
for '80s bands than the present ones. But I'm not stuck in the '80s. There are
few metal bands that I like today. I listen to a lot of extreme industrial and
ambient bands lately. Metal will prevail as long as its not suffocated by
lesser styles that infest their way into extreme music today!!!
8.
There seems to be quite a lot of antipathy in the U.S. Underground towards
Black Metal and Folk-related music, especially of the atmospheric and symphonic
variety. Is this justified in your view? Are Europeans ahead of our Chicken
McNugget culture in this sense? Do you ever see Disciples of Mockery turn to
any symphonic or atmospheric direction in the future, in the sense of choirs,
diverse instrumentation, etc.? Or will it always be harsh and straightforward
as long as the name is utilized?
Our music
in D.O.M. will always be as brutal as it was when we started!!! If I decide to
play with a different instrumentation, it will definitely be brutal and a
different project. I'm always up for experimentation of utter brutal
proportions!!! As for this particular band we intend on keeping it as brutal as
possible with the same instrumentation as we started with!!!
The Disciples of Mockery
9. I
notice that you include some links to several industrial and gothic bands in
your web site, implying that you appreciate some of that music. When I
interviewed John McEntee some time ago he told me clearly that he fucking hates
almost every kind of music with the exception of metal. This is unrelated to
Disciples of Mockery, but I can't help asking you how it was working with him
for several years? I can picture him taking your industrial CDs and smashing
them one by one against his forehead in a fit of
metal-bravado-inspired-violenceŠ
Working
with John was good in the sense of collaborative writing. We always clicked
together as a unit! It's the lack of communication and trust that separated us
as a unit. He was very quiet about the business part of the band. It seemed
like he llways had something to hide - like where the band funds went!!! As for
personal music tastes, that wasn't a part of the break-up of the band. We all
had a lot of the same influences and also different ones. We all were into '80s
death metal!! If John said to you he detests every kind of music but metal,
then that just shows how much of a small brain he has!!!
10.
Since I'm already on that topic, and I was always a huge fan of Incantation -
especially in the early days - I'm curious of how you feel about the present
incarnation of Incantation; how it differs from the earlier material - better
or worse? Please tell me I'm not the only one that thinks McEntee should have
his pen-and-paper privileges suspended. I've always that ever since you left
the band the brains of Incantation have left too. The music isn't bad, it's
just that the conceptual side of it has gotten quite weak, to say the least. What
do you think?
Yes of
course the conceptual side of Incantation is now weakened, I wrote all titles
and lyrics. Then when I left he had to
take over the writing of all the lyrics and titles and it's pretty obvious
where he got those ideas from!! As for the music you can obviously see the
difference with the 3 of us gone!! I must give him some credit for keeping it
going, it's just amazing how many members he goes through, it really is a one
man band now if you think about it! Its John McEntee's Incantation!
11. After some disagreements, I know you
started playing in a band called Cattlepress. And then you were involved
briefly with Ceremonium. Can you speak a bit about that? Is there still any
collaboration going on with either of these bands?
After I left Incantation in '94 I was living
in New York city at the time and I started to jam with Cattle Press (long time
friends) and also Ceremonium briefly but then I moved back to Jersey in '96 and
stopped playing with Cattle Press and Ceremonium to start playing with Jimmy
and Ronny again as WOMB. I'm still good friends with Cattle Press and
Ceremonium. I just don't play with them anymore. Cattle Press just released a
full length cd on Hydrahead records entitled "Hordes to Abolish the Divine"
and its one of the best releases out there today!!! It totally crushes!!!!! I
listen to it all the time! As for Ceremonium they were supposed to release a
2nd full length cd very soon. But I think they are having label trouble right
now.
12. Alright, enough about you and John
McEntee! What's the next step with Disciples of Mockery? What lies ahead in the
future?
Right now
we are working on new material for another release!! But I'm also focusing on
releasing the D.O.M./WOMB split cd with Roy, which should be out eventually -
so keep an eye out for that!! The WOMB features me and Ronny playing bass
guitars only!!! of course with Jimmy on drums and Me on voice!! total doom
sludge!!! very heavy!!
13.
That's all I have for now, Craig. My regards to Jim Roe, Ronnie Deo and Mike
Boyce, the rest of the depraved madmen in this Death Metal battering ram. Allow
the last section to be space for any kind of remaining thoughts you have. Thanks
for the interview and best of luck!
To the
people reading this, if you don't have our debut 9-song cd entitled
"Prelude to Apocalypse" you can get it by sending $13 u.s. $15 world,
cash or money order made out to:
Disciples of Mockery
153 Oaktree Av.
South Plainfield, N.J.
07080 USA
We also have limited T-shirts available for $12 u.s. $14 world. also look out
for our D.O.M./WOMB split cd out soon!!! thru us or Necroharmonic productions
at WWW.NECROHARMONIC.COM
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