This
interview with Bob Vigna of Immolation features questions by Y. Arkadin.
I'll start on a lighter note and then gradually work my way up to tougher
and tougher questions. Sort of like an entry exam to a prestigious college
(Erebus University), but in this case you come by with a passing grade whatever
the results you give. What I'd like to talk about first is the album artwork
that has always been an integral part of Immolation to me, and not only because
I'm an artist myself. How is it executed? Do you have some plan in mind and
then give the artist the concept, or is there more free reign in this
department?
Andreas
Marschall is an amazing artist! He really knows how to bring the concepts we
give him to life. We write down all the details of the scene and explain to him
what we want and what it all means. We send him the music, we send him the
lyrics, everything to give him a feel for the painting. Then he takes all that
and creates the cover. He is really unbelievable!
Concerning
the bands latest release, "Failures For Gods", looking back, are you
100% satisfied with the way things came together? How has the response been
overall, and, for the chief sake of curiosity, what was the most negative thing
you've read about it thus far?
We are
very happy with the album. The songs are our best yet and the production was
very good. The response was amazing and we actually, for the first time, got a
lot of press enjoying the album too. This is new for us! (Laughs) Even the
crowds at the shows have been unbelievable. We've definitely picked up a lot of
new fans on the last tour we did in the states with Six Feet Under too, which
was great. But there hasn't been too much bad feedback, just some critics on
the production. This I can understand though, I mean there are certain things
we feel could have been different, but each album is a learning process, so the
new one will be even that much better!!
As
Immolation is a death metal band that is prone to do a lot of touring, I was
wondering what show or shows were the most memorable for the whole band? Where
do you remember having had the best response to your music? Any kind of amusing
stories to relate? Bloopers, practical jokes?
Poland was
an awesome show! The crowd was truly insane! (Laughs) A lot of the European
shows were really good, London was very receptive, Holland was great, met a lot
of cool people there, the guys in Severe Torture brought us to this out door
picnic type bonfire deal. There were all different kinds of music being
performed and people just hanging out, it was great. We get along with people
pretty well, so we had a real good time. We are not your rock star type, we
like to mingle, hang out, meet people check out what's going on. To us touring
is the best part. You see the world, experience different cultures, people, ...
we are real tourists too! (Laughs) We'll go out on small expeditions and look
around the cities and go sight seeing as much as possible.
As for
bloopers and jokes, well hell our whole tour was a joke! (Laughs) That is there
was a lot of crazy stuff in Europe; problems with the borders, getting searched
and detained causing us to miss a couple of important shows; then I lost my
wallet like the first day we were there ... that sucked! (Laughs). (It's right
up there with when I lost my passport back in '91! (Loud laughter) I went to
make a copy of it at a post office for incase I lost it, and I ended up leaving
the damn thing in the copier! (Laughs) ... I did get it back a few days later,
but what a jackass!; we had some good times though obviously in Holland and in
Belgium, that was cool. As bad as it was that our show in Paris got cancelled,
we ended up hanging out at The Frontline club in Gent. So that day we ended up
meeting Gieke of the band Hooverphonic, which was pretty cool, and that night
it was our soundman's (Earl) birthday. So we hung out, played cards and drank
Duvel beer all night. It was funny because we never drink and to drink such
strong beer was a real trip for us, we were a bit silly for sure! (Great laughter) We are pretty laid back people though
so nothing too out of wack usually goes on when we are touring on our own.
In light of this touring experience, what
would you say is the greatest difference between the American metal scene and
the European, international one? Is it justifiable to speak of one as being
'superior' than the other? What's the deal with all this factionalism in the
metal world?
I don't know, I think we've had great shows
both in the states and abroad. But there is a feeling in the European crowds,
and it comes from the fact that metal is just more present in Europe, where
over here it hardly exists. Over there it is accepted as a serious form of
music, where here it is always being pushed out by the main stream. No more
metal on MTV, etc ... However very recently there seems to be an interest
gaining, so we'll see. We are obviously here to do our part! I think the metal
influence is starting to take place!!!!
I'm sure you're noticing that many bands
today are adding technological influences into their music, and even mixing in
elements from genres as diverse as hip-hop to progressive space-rock. But
Immolation has never been part of that. Do you ever see the band including
something like techno remixes in the future? Avulsed did it and I've heard that
there was generally a very good response.
I don't see us going down that route, but we
will always try to improve musically and progress in a way where the emotion
comes through even more. We always try new things, you have to, or then it's
just the same old thing. To us making new songs is a challenge because we want
to make something very different but stay as heavy and dark as possible.
Do you think the crossbreeding of metal
and other genres is positive for the scene overall?
It can be in some cases. Sometimes things are
taken too far, but that's the way music is. I may not like certain things that
are being done, but that's the way it goes. However, I think some of the very
large bands can be very good and a positive thing, like Slipknot. They mix a
lot of different elements to make a very demented sound. A band like that is
very positive for the scene. They can introduce people into more extreme music
that normally would not consider it. There are a lot of metal overtones in a
lot of other popular music these days too and I think people will be curious or
more accepting of newer heavier bands, or more underground ones.
I know that some members of Immolation
have had first-hand experience with the Catholic educational system. What are your
thoughts taken in mind the psychosis you've faced? In some way, do you think
that it helped you in your life? Obviously, whether detrimental or beneficial,
it had a lot of influence on you.
Well we all were brought up with it, so yes
it does have an effect on you. I think a lot of the lessons and stories are not
bad. I think that being taught that all of this was true is what is bad. That
and being looked at in a bad way when you choose not to believe.
A question I often ask bands that make use
of key Biblical topics is whether you consider the God/Devil debate to be
overplayed and over-saturated in some sense. Do you ever think that making use
of such a dichotomy is oversimplifying something that is much more complex?
Take in mind, for instance, the mind/matter dualism that has prevailed for so
long in Western philosophy ever since Descartes arrived on the scene.
Scientific progress is at such a point today that to speak in such a way could
be meaningless. You can draw a parallel to something like that and come to a
resolution that all talk of 'good' and 'evil', God and Devil as symbolic
entities, is strictly 'idealistic' and nothing more. What do you think?
We do consider it all nonsense in many ways;
that is why we continue to move in that direction. This good vs. evil thing and
moral judgment is always present so we like to keep stabbing at it. So many
people are wrapped up in being better than others and feeling superior to
others, meanwhile they are closed minded and immature. We take all that and taunt
them with it. God and the Devil do not exist. Man exists, and chooses between
the two directions. I actually feel silly talking about it to my family or
friends. It's in our music and that's our view of it. We personally do not live
with religion in our lives at all, as it does not play a role in our everyday
events. As people we are probably more Christian-like than those who go to
church every week. They hide behind the church, do wrong and only feel that
they can continue to do so just because they are forgiven by God the following
Sunday. These people hide from themselves too. They make mistakes and do wrong
as everyone else, but fool themselves into thinking that they are justified
because their outside appearance is that of a church going person. The only
person who can judge you is yourself. If you can look yourself in the mirror
and like that person you have accomplished a great deal, because that is the
one who knows you best, that is who knows your truth.
As a continuation of the prior question,
consider the fact that so many bands in the Anti-Christian underground are
violently opposed to Christianity and belligerent for no other reason than they
think that the religion is a diabolical and corrupt entity. So what so many of
these warriors of evil are truly in favor of is good; but in order to put their
message of good across, they rely on evil imagery and expression, the 'bad' in
short - and are in favor of anything but the good. How can this be reasonably explained?
Maybe we're dealing with something else here?
Well that's kind of it in a way. It is dark,
heavy music. It is a release and an expression. It is a feeling of power and
really in a positive sense. I mean when you are playing music on stage and others
are enjoying it and having a good time, maybe venting their frustrations in
life, or purely just taking in the music, you feel that you are really just
creating positive energy. I mean when we get off the stage, people have smiles
on their faces, so to me that tells us we did something good ...no? We are not
evil, bad people. The music is primarily for entertainment. That's what it is,
it's music. It's almost like creating a feeling of victory for the underdogs in
many ways. It's like when the Christian, or even supposedly good people think
you are a bad person because you play that crazy music, "You are the
devil!!!" So our way to get back at that is to go, "Boo! Yeah we're
the Devil and Jesus was nothing but a carpenter!!" However in our music we
just do it in a more creative and thought-inducing manner!
There are some people living today that
are convinced, even in light of all our current knowledge of space, biology,
and reality in general, that after they die they are destined for either
eternal torment or eternal merriment. But if one really ponders about it,
aren't both situations equally horrible? For the sake of the question, suspend
your disbelief and take the following into consideration: Living in an eternal
bliss, angels flying round playing their harps continually while you are
floating on a cloud, eating grapes and singing gay ballads with your dearly
departed. All could be enticing - for a few hours, no more! - But
eternally...!!! What do you think about such a divine horror? How could the
terror of such a frightening situation escape the grasp of our pious mortals?
Yeah that is pretty silly isn't it? I mean,
obviously we all wonder what is after life, maybe it's another plane of
existence, maybe it's another demension on this planet. We'll all find out one
day, but Heaven and Hell seem the least likely of any.
Now if you found out that Jesus Christ was
living today in, say, Alabama (which is in a sense very possible), and was a
big fan of Immolation's material, would you cease writing such disrespectful
lyrics about him? John McEntee told me he would like to 'pump yogurt' on him.
What would you do?
Well, we would probably set the record
straight. Actually, we will kind of deal with such a thing on the new album...
you'll have to wait and see. That would be awesome if he were a big fan though
... we could have him join!
One thing that I really like about the
Immolation crew is the relentless positive and friendly attitude that I come
across in your words and interviews. You've remarked on more than one occasion
that you're disgusted with crime, drugs and gang violence in society. Is it
reasonable to assume that the band serves as a vehicle for the emancipation of
your negative emotions? Do you think that if more people listened to violent music
the world would be a more peaceful place to live in? If not (and I could give a
hundred reasons why not personally!), what could be at least one proposed
answer to such a pressing problem?
I think people need to find something that
they can use as an avenue to vent their anger, etc. I personally hold in a lot
of emotion myself, and, yes, the band is a great way to get it out of my
system. I think the fact that I have so much inside works to an advantage,
because it fuels the music, as well as the ambition to keep pushing forward.
People need to escape from their everyday lives. People need a direction,
something they truly are into, or want to do. A lot of people would be much
happier if they just make an effort to find that particular thing of interest.
There's
a really interesting philosophical speculation I read in a book by Paul Davies
called "About Time" several months ago that the reason why we are
living today, in this age, is that mankind will only exist for a comparatively
short period of time. The reason he gives is that, if the human race were to
exist indefinitely into the future, the probability of our existing today would
be dramatically reduced. From these premises he infers, somewhat speciously, I
admit, that we are in store for extinction in the nearby future. Your view?
Uh, huh . . . . .
Now explain to me how ribosomes are
directed to the endoplasmic reticulum by binding to signal-recognition
particles. Just kidding! Thank you for dealing with my long and tedious
questions. Good luck to the whole Immolation crew! Keep it brutish!
Oh, well that's an easy one. Ribosomes are
often directed to the endoplasmic reticulem through neuron electric wave
patterns brought on by the paramecium chromosome. Once that incurs the ameba is
then absorbed by sickle cell anemias that conjunct a vast pattern throughout
the aorta cavity. Of course if any one knows the endoplasmic reticulem, they
will also be aware that the blood vessels that run adjacent to that of the
lower bicuspid will eventually erode due to the lack of aspartame in the
system.
Anyhow I'll have to thank the University of
Yonkers and of course Erebus University for the interview and furthering adult
education. Thanks a lot to all the fans out there that have been so supportive.
We appreciate it! Visit us at www.ImmolationDirect.com
and we'll see you on the road!!!!!
A very interesting interview with Immolation can be found here, where they
discuss some of their compositional principles.