Interview
with Burzum homepage (februari 1998)
1) These
days it seems a lot of people see you simply as a ‘racist’. However, having
read a great deal of your works it would seem to me that you in fact are
attempting to promote ‘cultural survivalism’ - that is to say, to prevent
further dilution of the true Nordic religion following the ‘spiritual death’ of
Judeo-Christianity’s arrival. Am I right?
Dilution
of the Norse-Germanic philosophy of life - or religion if you like - is one
thing, but just a part of the reason for my racism. It is not just our
philosophy of life that is threatened, but our very race as well; our culture,
the distinctive characteristics of our race and our peoples (i.e. the European
peoples). In short everything that is ours. The spiritual Black Death (i.e.
Judeo-Christianity) is a threat to our spiritual life and to our mental health.
When this plague has destroyed our Germanic spirit the way is open for the
destruction of the rest of our race. Not that they intend to murder every
single one of us, but they intend to murder our race through interbreeding and
degeneration. The latter they do with unhealthy lifestyle and through forcing
"humanistic" views unto everybody. An example is slogans like
"every human is valuable", or "everybody’s value is the
same". Of course modern medicine has a role in this as well. Sick and
degenerated individuals are kept alive at any cost, there is no "natural
selection" like it used to be, or any race hygiene to see to it that our
race do not degenerate.
Our
society is built up so that the immoral thrive, so that the cynical thrive, so
that the greedy thrive. That is the "strongest" in our society. You
have to be willing to lie, cheat, backstab others, pretend, and so on to get
anywhere in our world. This leads to what they call "individualism".
Also everything is measured after it’s value in hard cash.
Individualism
is all fine, however only one type of individualism. The "advanced"
world we live in have a tendency so over-simplify everything - of course
because of their "humanism" and their "humanistic" and
"caring" will to make comprehensible for the retarded idiots they
breed as well. Instead of saying "positive individualism" (i.e.
artistic creativity, courage, initiative, the ability to lead others,
inventiveness etc) and "negative individualism" (i.e. egoism, the
strong desire to only care for what is best for oneself etc) they just say
individualism. This means that they let negative individualism thrive as well,
if not exclusively.
All this
is interconnected; the Judeo-Christianity, Capitalism, Humanism, Communism, and
so on. All these things just play a part in the great game of the Zionists.
The only
real threat against their regime is our Aryan (i. e. European) race. It is the
pureness of our blood that resist the Zionist forces. I talk so much about our
Gods and Goddesses simply because our pure nature is a result of them, and they
are the result of our pure blood. Our philosophies have their origin in us, our
nature, and to eradicate them they need to destroy they pureness of our blood.
That as well is interconnected; out pure blood and our philosophies, our
culture, our nature, our cosmology; everything that is ours. The pureness of
our race is the last obstacle in the way for Zionist world- hegemony. Dilution
of our 'religion' is thus the same as dilution of our blood, to put it that
way, l"nis means that fighting for OUR culture, OUR philosophies, OUR art
and so on, is the same as fighting for OUR race, OUR blood and OUR peoples! A
flower need its leaves to survive, just as much as it needs its flowers, its
stalk and its roots. Now we have nothing but our roots left, and to save them
is alpha-omega to our survival. It’s racism alright, but so what? I care more
for the survival of nature - be that human or Mother Earth’s nature - than I
care about what some mentally confused, traitor, Judeo-Christian Capitalist
pigs say about me.
2) To me
it seems that Judeo-Christianity has always stolen from the Pagan/Heathen
religions, in addition to the obvious ‘spiritual death’ that you refer to, also
in quite literal terms. To give an example of what I mean, let’s consider
‘Christmas’. It seems unlikely that Christ was born at Christmas - shepherds
would not have their flock out in mid-winter, even in Palestine; the Romans
would never order a census in winter, the hardest time of year to travel. The
‘12 days of Christmas’ are most likely nothing to do with the ‘wise old men’
arriving at Bethlehem - the Roman celebrations around the winter solstice (21st
December), starting with the Sol Invictus festival lasted 12 days. ‘Santa
Claus’ is another interesting part of it. How did ‘Saint Nicholas’ (who lived
in Turkey) end up in the North Pole with a sledge of reindeer? Most likely this
is in fact based around Odin, who gave to the poor and rode across the sky in
Norse myth. Or maybe Freyja, who was supposed to spend the 12 days after winter
solstice driving a chariot pulled by stags, giving presents to the good and
punishing the bad. Either way, it seems to me Judeo-Christianity has tried hard
to integrate Pagan ideals into their religion; when Pagan traditions proved too
hard to break, they simply stole them.. Is this just one example of many? And,
extending the question a bit, do you think that to some degree the
Pagan/Heathen religion has survived preserved in elements of Judeo-Christianity?
Clearly some things were too strong for Christianity to break, and so
traditions were simply ‘absorbed’ into the Christian mythos. If so, can these
Pagan elements one day be ‘extracted’ back again from Judeo-Christianity?
I
understand that you call the Yule celebration "Christmas" in English
speaking territories. In Scandinavia we call it Jul (Norse: "Wheel")
and in Germany it’s called 'Weihnachten' (meaning 'the night of initiation').
Also "Santa Claus" is called 'Julenisse' (roughly translated
'Yule-goblin' <although Goblin in this context is more like a 'Fairy' >)
in Scandinavia and Weihnachtsmann ('initiation-night-man, directly translated)
in Germany.
It is only
the last twenty-thirty years that the true meaning of Yule has been more or less
forgotten in Scandinavia. Some very few people (about 4% according to surveys)
go to church on the Yule-day, and some people do celebrate "Christ’s
birth", but the majority don't. There is NOTHING in our celebration that
is alien (i. e. Judeo-Christian). Yule derives from Saxon and it means Wheel,
and that is short for Sunwheel (i. e. the Swastika). The tree is a symbol of
Yggdrasil, the finery hanged in the tree are symbols of sacrifice to the Gods,
we eat pig to honour Freyr, we sing the Yule in to call upon the dead (as Yule
is a feast for the dead as well), we have food we do not eat before after the
Yule-celebration is over because the dead is supposed to take what they want
first (and then we can eat what is left), the so-called "Santa Claus"
is Heimdall (and not Wotan) that come to visit his children (as you might know
he was sent by Wotan to the humans to improve them, and we are thus his
children) and bring gifts to those who deserve them. He lives "on the
north pole" simply bacause that is the point where the wall between the
spirit world and the world we live in is easiest to cross. Yule is also the
time of initiation into the Asgardsarmy (Åsgardsreien). It is a Sunfeast, when
we celebrate that the Sun is coming back (as you might know the winter in
Scandinavia is pretty dark and "Sunless").
Judeo-Christianity
never managed to 'absorb' this Heathen tradition, it even worked the other way
around, and now even non-Germanic peoples celebrate Yule, because of
Judeo-Christianity (ironically). They have managed to exchange the Spear in the
top of the Tree with a Star, but that happened only some years ago, when the
Star with electric light came on the market. When my parents were young for
instance, they had Spear-points in the top of the tree everywhere instead.
Symbolizing Wotan’s Spear of course.
They do
their best alright, to "christianize" our traditions, but it’s not
very successful - that is in Scandinavia though. We still celebrate Yule, and
not "Christmas", we still have Heimdall and not some "Santa
Claus". Needless to say, the Scandinavian and German peoples managed to
keep their tradition that good, compared to other parts of Europa, simply
because we are racially far more pure. This is the why they try so hard to
destroy the pureness of our blood, simply because they never succeeded in
Christianizing us. We are still resisting vehemently, both in Scandinavia and
in Germany. After a thousand years now they have changed tactics, and are now
attacking our blood, to break the resistance.
So, to answer
Your question; it is not Judeo-Christianity that have absorbed our traditions,
they simply never managed to ruin and destroy our traditions. They did that
with the native American culture, with the African cultures, and with many
other cultures, but they never managed to do that with us. We are too strong
for them. Or better; our nature and blood is too pure for them. Needless to
say, we have to keep it that way, and make sure they do not destroy the
pureness of our blood!. As long as we stay noble we will never perish. Nobility
is in the pureness of the blood.
3)
Although you’re no longer a ‘black metal musician’ as such, Burzum still is
probably the biggest band in the scene and you still have a lot of support from
fans in black metal. Do you still acknowledge that support, even if not a black
metaller yourself anymore? (Though I realise you were never a ‘black metaller’
in the traditional sense anyway).
It depends
on what you mean with "Black Metallers", and what you mean with
"support" for that sake. There is a lot of "support" out
there that would be better called "spreading mendacious gossip". I
could be well without that. When people start to present their own speculations
as "facts", not least on the internet, I do no longer call it
"support", although it is often meant to be support. Real support is
great whoever it comes from, although there are groups other than "black
metallers" I would prefer to receive support from.
4)
Obviously the question most readers will want to know is: when can we expect
more music from you? Recently you mentioned the possibility of a new Burzum
trilogy.. You also stated that ‘Hlidskjalf’ will be the next Burzum album - has
any of it been written or recorded yet? Do you have keyboard, computer or
recording equipment in your cell at the moment? If not, do you think you may be
able to record anything in the near future?
I don’t
know.
4) I
recently heard a rumour that you now have a guitar in your cell, although you
don’t plan to use it on upcoming albums. In the past you have stated that you
will no longer record any more ‘metal music’. In relation to this, you have
stated that you no longer want to play guitar anymore. To me this seems a bit
strange - after all, bands who share similar views to your own and who you’ve
mentioned in the past (Vidkuns Venner for example) play guitar-based music.
And, of course, ‘guitar-based’ need not necessarily mean ‘metal’ music. After
all, surely an electronic synthesizer is no more Nordic than an electronic
guitar. Thus is it possible that you might use a guitar in the way you did on
the later tracks on Filosofem, given the chance?
The guitar
is an European invention, just like the synthesizer. However, the music played
on guitar is mostly nigger music - and that goes definitely for all metal
music. I have nothing against guitars, as you might know a lot of classical
music is played on guitar. If I would make any more guitar music it would be
classical music. So, it has nothing (or better; little) to do with the
instrument in itself.
I guess I
have been a bit unclear when talking about this, until now. Anyway, what I
explain above should clear things up for you. I categorize music like this;
Aryan music (European classical and folkmusic, as well as some other more
electronic music); Alien music with Aryan lyrics (like all these Viking-metal
bands, Oi-rock and the like) and; Alien music with alien lyrics. As simple as
that.
Bands like
'Vidkuns Venner', 'No Remorse' and so on, are "half-way" to the right
way, and I know that in our times we might need to get people on our side one
step at a time. Being used to nigger music and nigger or Jew lyrics they need
to become used to the lyrics first, and then they can be introduced to real
Aryan music. That’s why I can support these "half-way" to the right
way bands. That is pretty much the role of old Burzum as well, to be a 'gateway
to Heaven'. You become what you listen to (mentally), so I deem it very
important that we promote Aryan music to our Aryan race. This as well, is a
part of the struggle. This way we can save our collective mental and spiritual
health as well. Instead of primitive, degenerate, subhuman mentality promoted
by the nigger (pop) music today, we can educate and 'heal' our race with Aryan
music, promoting. Aryan ideals like honesty, justice, honour, faithfulness,
strength, courage, respect, nature awareness and so on.
6) To what
extent, if any, do you believe in life after death? Is Valhalla a physical or
metaphorical perception of the afterlife? From what you have said in the past
it seems to me that you consider 'Gods' as only a symbolic entity (unlike the
Judeo-Christians who will blindly follow) and believe the ultimate driving
force to be nature, i.e. the natural selection of the strong over the weak...
'Nature'
and 'the Gods (and Goddesses)' are two sides of the same thing. The Gods are
forces in nature, and with that I mean forces in our human nature as well.
Which of course is just another reason to keep the blood pure, as if we destroy
the pureness of our blood we also destroy our Gods and everything they stand
for. All their wisdom is stored in our pure blood, and it will be lost if we
interbreed with others.
The Gods
are symbolic, spiritual, parts of our nature (genes), as well as being physical
beings. I can give You an example of a physical manifestation of Thórr
(Juppiter, Zevs, Perun etc). As You (hopefully) know Thórr is the defender of
our race, he protects us from the Jotuns (i. e. the 'giants', which is a
metaphor for 'uncontrollable forces of the universe' in this context). His
beard is red and he have a belt that increases his strength.
Then I can
ask You; what is it that protect us, on Mother Earth, from 'space debris'
(asteroids and the like)? It is of course the planet of Jupiter! The planet
also happen to be red and have a ring around it (the 'strengthbelt' mentioned).
It is Jupiter with its ,gravity ('strength') that prevents all this debris from
smashing into Mother Earth killing us. The planets and the Sun (Sun/Só1,
Merkur/Loki, Venus/ Frigg , Tellus/Moder Jórd, Mars/Týr, Jupiter/Thórr,
Saturn/Heimdall, Uranus/Wotan, Neptune/Njordr, Pluto/Hell) and the moons of the
planets (I don’t bother writing the names of all of them here, as there's a lot
and it would take to much time) are all bodies of the Gods. The Gods are namely
not just one single thing, they don’t have just one being, one form, one
manifestation.
Any
astrologer knows that Saturn (Heimdall) is the God of the principle "You
harvest what you sow" (Ut sementem feceris, ita metes <Cicero>), and
that brings us back to the subject of Yule ("Christmas") and his role
there, as the judge over who shall receive gifts and who shall not.
Unfortunately these astrologers tend to ignore our science "as it is
racial", so they lack the knowledge about this and will not be any wiser
with time as long as they continue to ignore what 'we' say about this. They are
not free from Judeo-Christian prejudice it seems.
Valhalla
as well has many sides. I can give You another example, and quote some part
from Vargsmål;
"To
get to Valhalla we have to get past many guards. Wotans wolves Geri (the
greedy) and Freki (demands and obstinacy), the warge hanging west of the
entrance, the eagle that bend it's head above the hall. We have to build the
Hall with our own weapons and armour; our spears make up the walls, our shields
make up the roof and the benches are covered with our chainmails. Before we get
to Valhall we have to get across two rivers as well, Thund (swallow up,
'self-solemnity') and Ifing (doubt, uncertainty) .
This
means that we must defeat our own weaknesses, like our greed, our obstinacy,
our many demands to others, our bestiality (the warge is hanged), our pride
(the ea~lge bend his head), our 'self-solemnity', our doubt and uncertainty,
and our weapons we shall use to something constructive". (quote
finished).
We have to
build our Valhalla with weapons, to build something new we have to destroy the
old. Anyway, that’s ONE interpretation of Valhalla. One of many, all being
true. They do not contradict each other. The above is of course how we must
face Wotan, how we shall relate to him.
Another
interpretation covers another 'theme'. When we say that the Einherjers
(warriors) fight and kill each other every day, only to be reborn the day
after. This simply means that we need not fear death on the battlefield, as we
will be reborn again later anyway, in our race. That again of course depending
on the pureness of our race. This encourages courage and bravery, and thus
makes our soldiers the best.
Valhalla
is also a 'Hall of Fame', a spiritual unit consisting of the dead men's spirits
(parts of them live on, parts of them are reborn, and parts of them, are
immortal through being remembered forever <like Hitler>) as well. Any
theosophist that might read this will of course open his or her eyes when I
point at the fact that there are 540 doors into Valhall, and 800 Einherjers can
walk through each of them at one time. 540 multiplied by 800 equals 432.000.
The secrets of Valhall are many, but then again; I am a 'terrible racist' and
therefore nobody will take serious anything I say. As You know; they are not
free from the society’s "moral" laws.
7) How is
prison life treating you at the moment? I hear you are working on a new book,
referred to as ‘Vargsmal II", could you tell us a bit more about this?
Have the authorities been attempting to hinder you from writing it as they did
your first book?
I just
wrote a political program for our Allgermanische Heidnische Front (Pangermanic
Heathen Front) which took some time to finish, as M I needed more 'accurate
political knowledge' to finish it. This however is only 16 pages (A4) so I
wouldn't call it a book. Prison life is treating me well. I get the time to
read a lot, to write and to train, and for now that is all I need. The authorities
hinder me by not letting me have a computer in my cell, so that I have to write
everything by hand or on a typewriter. Right now I am working on another
project, about 'the creation'. That's pretty much an interpretation of parts of
our mythology, it’ll be written in Norwegian, but I will (unlike with Vargsmål)
translate it into English as well and from there I guess it'll be translated
into German as well. I will systemize our mythology and reveal some facts about
our past that is not yet known. Firstly I'11 write the book about Ginnungagap
and then later I’ll deal with the other myths and subjects. I am more or less
finish with the preliminary work so it is pretty much all about getting it all
down on the paper now. I must say I really love to work with this, and
ironically I would probably not have had the time to do it if I had not been
imprisoned.
8) How is
your daughter? I imagine it must be difficult staying in contact with your
family given the present situation. Or have prison conditions improved a bit? I
remember you mentioned that at one point you were completely shut off from the
outside world and they even stopped letters from your mother..
My
daughter is, as far as I know, fine. I got a letter from her some weeks ago,
but apart from that I haven~t had any contact with her since the sumner of
ninetythree. The prison conditions tend to change all the time. Now I am in
Trondheim, about 500 kilometers from my hometown (i. e. my family and my
friends). It's a bit irritating of course, but as we say; "strength is to
ignore". Nothing lasts forever. In the meanwhile I~11 educate myself - to
their great despair.
9) Is
Islam a growing threat in Norway? If so, will you fight it just as you fight
Christianity and Judaism? (I remember you once said you would fight anything
that is alien to the true Pagan peoples).
Islam is
an adversary to the Christian religions, so I say let them tear each other
apart. If one of them wins or becomes too powerful we'll simply join forces
with the weaker part, only to obliterate it when WE are the strongest part.
Today Christianity is the strongest part, so we should not attack Islam,
instead we should join forces with them and fight Judaism and Christianity
together with them.
Besides,
Islam is much closer to our philosophy of life than what Christianity is, after
all they hail those who die in battle, they have a sense of honour and of
course their view on women is far better than the Christian one. It is better
with 'Allah hu akbar' in the morning seven days a week, than with church bells
every Sunday .
It should
be pretty needless to say though, that no alien religion can be accepted in OUR
Europe, be it Islam, Judaism, or any form of Christianity (all generally
referred to - by me - as 'Judeo-Christianity ').
Finally, here
are the miscellaneous questions I mentioned earlier, sent in by Burzum fans:
Do you
have a favourite Burzum album? - Stuart
Both yes
and no: It depends on my mood. I am pretty satisfied with the HLTO (Hvis Lyset
Tar Oss) album, but then again I am pretty satisfied with the DSEV (Det Som En
gang Var) album as well. All in all I like the Daudi Baldrs album best, but
when it comes to the old albums I think the debut is the best for 'nostalgic
moments', the DSEV is the best for 'lone moments', the HLTO is the best for
contemplation and ‘aggressive moments’, the Filosofem album is the best
for.....certain moments (it's - for me - something like a mix between HLTO and
the debut, as the tracks are from these two albums. Well, from the 'eras' of
these two albums). My favourite is thus Daudi Baldrs and HLTO.
Who is
the mother of your child? - Emiel
I don't
want to tell her name, as she might not want that to be known, but I can tell
she’s a Norwegian. She's a weird character, living in the end of some deep
Fjord. She’s an agricultural college graduate/agronomist, growing most of the
food they need herself, playing violin, wearing home-made clothes and generally
being weird (of course mostly in a positive way).
What
bands do you listen to these days? - Travis
None actually.
We are not allowed to listen to music here, and we are not even allowed to have
a walk-man here, so it is not very easy to listen to any music really. If I
could listen to music though, I would listen to - apart from folk music and
classical music bands like 'Das Ich ', 'Goethes Erben', old 'Kraftwerk', and
some other electronic music I guess.
Do you
love nature? - Anna
Yes,
absolutely It is Mother Earth's green nature that provide us with everything We
need to survive, evolve and fulfil our tasks. We are ourselves a part of
nature, just like the trees of the forest and the air we breath, and it is our
duty to see to it that these parts of nature are clean and healthy as well. The
Capitalist exploitation of Mother Earth that goes on as we speak is horrendous
and it must be stopped as soon as possible, by all means. This as well is a
part of our struggle for nature, both our Aryan nature and the nature we live
in. Aesthetically nature is beautiful as well, just like our Aryan race. There
is nothing of more value to us than nature, both our Aryan nature and Nature,
and besides love we must learn respect and admiration for this. Heil Mother
Earth!
Why did
you decide to get a ‘skinhead’ look? - Heide
That's
just how I looked at the time the TV news team got there. We could turn the
question around however, and ask "why did you let your hair grow"? as
I was a skinhead in my mid teens as well. As for the 'skinhead' look today, or
better last year and the year before that, I like it, besides it was nice to make
it clear to some people where I was on the ‘political scale'. For some strange
reason people seems to understand such things only if you have the haircut that
matches their picture of how a person with that certain political ideology
look. Now I have a normal short hair, which 'of course' the newspapers refer to
as a ‘Hitler-Jugend' haircut, and generally I don't pay all that much attention
to such things as haircut. It’s pretty irrelevant. Short hair is good in
battle. It’s practical and easy to clean, which after all has something to say
when we aren’t allowed to shower 'all that much' in Prison.
What
make of guitar do/did you play? - Bjorn
I have a
Westone guitar, and I have had that Guitar all the time, since 1987 when I
started to play. It's just some old, cheap, and according to all 'experts'
crappy guitar, but it has worked fine for me and my needs (so far). It's a bit
rusty and definitely not a pretty sight, but that’s not very important.
Are you
still friends with Immortal? - ‘Dragonulv’
Well, well,
well. I haven’t talked to them for some years now, or been in contact with them
in any other way. They have their interests (inebriation and music) and I have
mine, and our paths does not cross in any context, so..
Ok,
that'll be all. Heil Wotan!
Interview
carried out and written up by Rainer, for the Burzum homepage at
http://www.burzum.com/ .