Probably this band did not
give birth to brutal death metal at the eastern coast of the States, and, to be
precise, in the vicinity of New York. But due to this particular band’s
activity the metal scene has been kept alive for the latest decade. One of the
oldest (and still alive) bands celebrates it’s 13 anniversary this year, still
“the unlucky 13” seems to be a lucky digit for these guys. However, for their
thirteen-year history the guys have just released only their third album. This
album was not accepted and understood by everyone. I am not crazy about their
music, but, still, like it a lot! There is definitely something in these
Yonkers guys, something that could be labeled as the “essence of the
underground”. We talked to Ross, the bassist and the vocalist of IMMOLATION…
Hello Ross, how are you
spending your time in the Metal Blade German office?
Well, mostly of the day we are
here in the office doing interviews. So, the day is pretty much taken up doing
that type of thing. But you know at night everybody here at Metal Blade is
totally cool. For the last couple of nights they have taken us after dinner and
we were taken to pubs, went out drinking some beers. It’s been really cool. Mike
took us around to some little cities in the area, we saw a lot of cool stuff.
So, you are about to release
your third album, and from your interviews I can assume that “Failure For Gods”
is the heaviest and loudest one?
Without doubt! I think we are
happy with this album. It is definitely our strongest album, the darkest one
both musically and lyrically. It is our best produced album. It still retains
the essence and the mood of IMMOLATION. We definitely didn’t lose and identity
in the sound. We have even brought it to the next level.
Listening to you it seems
doubtful that you will manage to create a better album in the future, haha!
Oh, hopefully! With every
album we try to improve ourselves. We have already started to work on some new
material for the fourth album. I think we will be a little bit better prepared
next time and we will spend more time in the studio, ha. With every album we
are trying to make one step better, of course.
I guess your business affairs
with Metal Blade are totally different than that with Roadrunner Records?
To be honest, most of the
people who worked at Roadrunner in the New York office were very cool people. It
was nothing personal against people, I had nothing to do with them honestly. It
was just the politics of the label. We understand, there are obviously no hard
feelings between us. But the label was not polite to us. They were not a metal
label any more, Metal Blade is a metal label, that’s what important.
How did you find out that
Roadrunner was not promoting you any longer?
We basically knew early on
about that. They didn’t help us with our US tour, they didn’t feel like… They
wanted us to record our second album without the US tour. We thought it was
absurd! They really spent very little time on us at all. We promoted the entire
tour ourselves, we organized the entire thing. And it was successful. With that
point we saw they wanted to put as little into the band as possible. It was
something that made us uncomfortable, it wasn’t right for us to stay with the
label anymore.
How does it feel to stay on
the stage for five years without releasing a new album?
It was terrible! It was
probably the worst time in our lives. We were on Roadrunner for another year
and a half, or two. Then we finally got out of that contract. There was another
two-year period when we didn’t have a label. It was very difficult for us. We
sent our new material to Metal Blade and they were interested. Probably the
main reason for that was the whole label factor. Again, during that time we
kept ourselves busy trying to further the band. We played numerous shows, a lot
of big festivals in the US. It was hard to do a lot of new things without
having a new material, we were very limited with what we could do. But people
knew we were still around.
To tell the truth, have you
ever thought about splitting-up within those five years?
Believe me we never did. I
always knew we would continue. It was very hard times, our moral was very low. But
we all had that drive in us, we’d love the music. We are music lovers in
general, so I think it is a flame that cannot be put out inside of us!
Counting from your forefather
band RIGOR MORTIS, you have already been existing for thirteen years by now!
Yeah, actually even more that
that. But as IMMOLATION – thirteen years, yes.
How do you feel having
approached the number of the Beast (along with 666)?
Unlucky 13, haha! I guess it
is a lucky number for us!
Taking into consideration your
anti-Christian position, it is!
Yes, haha! It’s just a silly
superstition, you know. Doesn’t have any effect on us.
Everybody has his own superstitions
and beliefs. Do you have any?
I believe whatever you do, it
comes back to you. It’s a kind of philosophy I like to live by. It’s a good way
of treating people.
Don’t you think Ross that your
philosophy is pretty much the same as the Bible tells?!
Well. The Bible is a nice
storybook with cool stuff in it. But you know, you can take a lot of good
things from the Bible if you apply to it wisely. But we focus on the whole
controlling, manipulating aspect of religion. It’s something that definitely
controls people in a lot of different ways, it’s something that takes, and
takes, and takes. And it has been for centuries. It never delivers, and if it
delivers, it delivers in a very shallow sense. It doesn’t really deliver
anything of substance. People look at it as a source of reference, something as
a guide I'd’ say. It is something so intangible, so unrealistic. So, people
look at it for guidance, for strength in a lot of ways. You should look within
yourself for a lot of these things.
But I am 100 percent sure that
each time we look within ourselves, we can always see a choice, the two ways of
behavior, the demon and the angel. There’s always contradiction within
ourselves!
Of course, it’s a constant
struggle. It’s very easy to give in to the dark side, especially in today’s
world, man! There’s a lot of craziness in today’s world. I don’t have to tell
you: you watch the news – there are so many things that are sad and disgusting.
I can see why –to some extent – people turn to religion. Because they are so
disheartened with the world, they would like to look at something bigger, for
some inspiration.
We are living in the modern
era when the high technologies rule the world. I cannot understand why religion
still remains so popular?
You know what? The US is still
back in a lot of ways. There are still people in the US who are very ignorant,
very childish, very immature. People make big thing out of little issues, and
don’t make any big deal out of big issues. Even compared to the Europeans, they
are very different in a lot of ways. There are a lot of positive aspects about
the European culture that I see as opposed to the US culture. Religion does
have a very bearing affect on a lot of people in the US, and it is a part of
our people’s lives. May be not so much here in Europe. So, we draw a lot of
inspiration from it as well as from our personal lives, how we were brought up
as children, how religion was introduced to us in the early age, how I went to
the Catholic high school. I think those four years in my life were kind of a
turning point for me, I saw a lot of things a lot clearer at that point of my
life. I really began questioning things at that point. Fortunately, I was able
enough to see a lot of that stuff that was forced at the younger age. Some
people just accept it, you know. Well, that’s their prerogative. We are not out
to change any people’s minds obviously, to influence anybody’s opinion.
Still you want people to
understand you!
Of course, I think a lot of
people do understand where we’re coming from. I think a lot of people relate to
us. I don’t think they see any kind of maliciousness or any kind of negativity,
even though it may be presented in a very dark way, and it’s very bitter the
way our words can attack the church and the Christianity and religion in
general, but basically I would have to say that our message is more of a
positive one than people think.
During the twenty’s century
the US became a “dream” country. Is it the case with the metal music in the United
States?
Definitely
not! Metal is dead in the United States! It is very different in the US. Now
the big favour in the US is hip-hop and bands like KORN and Merilyn Manson. I
would say the underground metal scene is still alive but it is very much
underground at this point. It’s really not easy for bands in general to get
chosen, to do tours. From what I’m told, it’s very hard here in Europe too. But
the Europeans are more accepting metal, and metal I think still flourishes here
in Europe whereas in the US it’s pretty much something of a past. Which is sad,
but hopefully it will make a come back. There are still bands and still fans of
that music obviously. And if you really think about it, it’s probably the only
type of music that can survive with little or no promotion or press. Which is
really amazing. I can’t see any other genre of music continuing like that for
so many years!
What I really like about the US metal underground, is
that you don’t change with years running, you don’t compromise, you have not
become the sell-outs!
Right.
I definitely agree with that. I see a lot of bands, mainly European bands,
started out doing the same thing we were doing and now they are completely
different. I mean that’s their choice, people change and mature in different
ways, you can’t really knock them for that. But if we wanted to make money,
we’d not obviously play this type of music, it was never an issue of making
money. It’s something we got into because we like this kind of music. You
really have to love this type of music, otherwise there’s no point doing it.
We are coming closer to the new millenium. We have
2000 years behind, 2000 years of the Catholic church existence, and the title
of your latest album sounds no less than a challenge to the whole history, to
the beliefs of many generations of people living on the planet.
Well,
I have never looked at it as a challenge, but I guess you can look at it that
way. Again, we focus on the Catholic church because it is something we can
relate to personally, but we really challenge religion in general, all types of
religion. Any type of religion controls people to some extent. Gods failed to
see that it’s up to us to decide our lives. Of course, it’s not easy to make
wise decisions, we all make stupid decisions and hopefully we’ll learn from our
mistakes. We are imperfect people, haha. But that’s part of our life, man. I’ve
made many mistakes in my life, I have learned from some of them, from some of
them I haven’t learned. But it’s just how it goes. Also you can flip it around
and say that these Gods are failures in the sense that they never really
delivered like we talked about earlier. They never really delivered in any
substantial way, may be in a shallow superficial way. They were really barking
at the wrong tree! How would you call him, I mean God, a success if there’s so
much negativity, so much war, so much death. Our society in the US is so
twisted and fucked up because of drugs, and violence, and gangs. It’s really a
fucked up thing, you know. That was the turning point when I was in high school
because we had a whole class that was focused like if there was a loving God,
why this and why that. It started me thinking.
Not so long ago the Pope of Rome announced the
Apocalypses for the end of August. If it happens, this interview will never be
published, haha! If it is published, it’ll prove the falseness of all these
prophesies…
If
there is to be the end of the world, it’s gonna be something that’s brought
upon by us as a race by our own hands. Mankind basic stupidity and greed will
cause that. Unless, of course, it is something out of our control. But it is
something I don’t worry about, when I go back home after these interviews I’ll
go back to work, I’ll continue working on IMMOLATION. I know the type of person
I am and I know I treat people with respect and I am not a monster by any
means. If it is my time to go, it is my time to go. I can leave this world with
no regret, you know what I am saying? I have done a lot of great things, I have
a great family, I have a lot of great people in my life around me and I have no
problems with that. I am very happy, obviously, I have a lot I still have to do
in my life and I want to continue on of course, haha! I think I am very
fortunate in a lot of ways.
Man, am I interviewing a saint?
A
saint, haha?! No, I’m definitely not a saint! I am just someone who loves to
create crazy music!
Public opinion says that metal musicians are very
weird people, you don’t sound like that.
I
don’t think we are very weird people at all. We are very down to earth, we’re
just regular people! We all work full time jobs, we have our everyday lives. I
don’t know why people think that way? I am also speaking for other bands as
well. The guys in CANNIBAL CORPSE, in NILE and in VADER – they are very cool
guys! Nobody’s crazy.
Where do you work if it is not a secret?
Well,
we all work together. Cam has his own firm, he employs fifteen people, we work
with him. So, it’s a nice situation, we are able to leave and go on tour
whenever we have to and then come back and still have jobs. It’s good money,
it’s good work, it’s very stressful at times but it pays the bills.
It would have been great if all the musicians had an
opportunity to work for one company!
It
would be great! I would love to do that. I would be more happy to do IMMOLATION
only, but we are very realistic about it. IMMOLATION is really in the negative
numbers, we cannot make our living out of it.
Looking back at your thirteen-year existence, what
things would you like to change?
There are a lot of things I’d
like to change personally. May be, I think, things would have been a little bit
different if we made different choices back early on. But you can’t get back to
change things. It’s more realistic to look ahead and try to make yourself
better. For example, we had opportunities of signing with Earache records in
the very beginning. May be that would have affected us in a certain way. But
things happen for reason I believe!
Let’s imagine you have to live
only one more day of your life. How would you like to spend it?
How would I spend my last day?
I would spend it with people that are close to me, my family, my close friends.
Some people would prefer to
buy tons of alcohol and drink to death before the last second comes!
For what? What that can
accomplish? If you have that one day left I’d wanna be with people that mean
something to me, have inspired me in different ways. That’s the way I would
spend it!
If you had half a year, would
you continue with IMMOLATION?
Of course! I would probably
just like to tour for half of that time. I would probably quit my job and do
IMMOLATION as long as possible till the end!