For many the UNHOLY is a brand
name of ultra depressive doom metal. Its first steps the band made in 1988 and
it’s first three demos including the legendary «Trip To Depressive Autumn» have
become the cult among the world’s tape traders. The two amazing albums which
followed the demos were positively accepted both by public and by critics. And
then... Then the band officially announced its split for the reason of the
tense personal atmosphere within the band. Two years later, in early 1997,
UNHOLY reunited in the original line-up and began to work on its third album
«Rapture». The UNHOLY guitarist and keyboard player Ismo Toivonen disclosed
that rather soon the fourth album of the depressive Finns will be put out.
First of all I would like to
admit that interviews with UNHOLY can rarely be found in metal press. Why is it
so? Is it the lack of interest on the part of the media to your band or is it
your personal point not give too many interviews?
Well, the truth is that not
many people know us today because of the two years’ break we took in 1995-1996.
For many people we are a new band in the scene and that's why I understand our
situation. Even though we have been existing for the last 10 years and our
fourth album is coming out in early '99, still we are a new band here. Funny.
People have changed during these years. Our old fans are still here which is
good but now we have a completely new generation of fans. They have liked and
listened to our music only from «Rapture» maybe. And the same thing is happening
with metal press too. Some old zines, for example Isten, still remembers us but
there are so many new zines nowadays that mostly they haven't heard a word
UNHOLY. But hopefully this situation is getting better when our new album comes
out. Then many people will know us. But still on the other hand, we have given
over 50 interviews during one year and I think it's quite a lot.
And why did you take the break
in 1995-1996?
Well, after "Second
Ring..." we got an idea to develop in some direction, but we didn't know
where. We tested many kinds of styles, of course it was metal all the time, but
we didn't find any good direction to go. So we called that a lack of
inspiration. And we got some personal problems as well. Jarkko used alcohol
quite much and didn't seem to be interested in playing music. So we decided to
take a break and re-join again when it feels good. So in the summer of '96 I
was in a rock festival with Jan and Pasi and we talked and it felt good to play
again with UNHOLY. We had many kinds of project bands during that break and we
«iced» them and joined in our rehearsing place and started to play and it felt
great! We didn't ask Jarkko to join us because we don't want any kind of
alcohol or drug problems to stop our activity again. So, we started to write
songs and in the spring '97 we had them ready. We contacted Avantgarde and they
agreed to work with us and here we are.
I think it’s a good choice
considering the fact that your first Austrian label didn’t promote you and was
not at all honest... Is it really possible for labels to be honest with the
bands they’ve signed?
Lethal Records was a rip off
label and their boss hadn't got a slightest idea of how the label has to work. It
was good that we didn't face any other rip off labels but it was really
instructive for us to face that one. Underground metal labels today have a
really hard job trying to reach at least passable selling amounts. There are
just too many bands and too many labels, too many big labels and big bands. That
is why there could be little chances to make money with bands. The whole
business has changed since we got our first contract. Now it's too easy to get
a deal, so there are too many shit bands, they have nothing to say musically
but they're just «eating» the other bands’ selling amounts. I believe that for
a label it's still possible to be honest with bands if you know what to do. But
this is the business where no one can win or get rich. If you do music or be a
label owner you just have to love your job, not money. And I'm taking about
underground now.
UNHOLY is one of the oldest
depressive doom metal bands. What was the major influence that made you play
that sort of music?
If you mean musical
influences, bands we like and something like that, I must say that we never had
any kind of purpose to take influences from the other bands. Why play music
that someone else has already played? So, we don't take influences, but I'm
sure that bands like CELTIC FROST and VOIVOD had some kind of effect to what we
are now.
UNHOLY - by your name I can
judge that religion and in particular Christianity have always been the target
for your attacks... Is it really?
I'm sure some people can think
it that way. The good side in our name is that you can choose and interpret it
like you want and so you find your own story behind that name. For me the name
UNHOLY means that we are unholy in musical sense. We don't care if something is
not from the main stream style or be against "laws" of music theory. If
it sounds good then it's good for us. If some song doesn't sound like doom
metal we don't mind if it just sounds good. For example "Into Cold
Light" is more like techno than doom but we thought it sounded good and so
it's on «Rapture» album. That's what the name UNHOLY means to me.
«Rapture» - the title of the
two Finnish albums of UNHOLY and IMPALED NAZARENE... How do you consider the
fact? What was mass media reaction on the «twins»?
That was a strange
coincidence. Neither we nor them knew that we were going to release the albums
with a same title. It was a surprise. Maybe the name is so cool that both bands
got the same idea in same time, ha-ha! Finnish media didn't react to that fact
as far as I know. And I haven't seen anything in other countries either. But as
I told, maybe it's because people don't know us very well yet. You know we had
that break and now the line-up is new, so maybe media will notice it later,
when they learn that we exist again.
As far as I know, your band
didn’t tour a lot. Does it mean that your label can’t afford it or you prefer
not to tour too often?
Well so far we have only
played live in Finland and our last gig was in 1994. When we began to play
together again after that 18 months’ break we just didn't have enough members
for gigs. I played guitars and keyboards in «Rapture» so you see, it's quite
difficult to play them together in gigs. But right now we are getting more
members, a new session guitarist for gigs, so we will have two guitars for live
shows and we have a new permanent member Veera who sings our female vocals and
plays keyboards. Right now we are rehearsing our live set and next year when
our forthcoming album is out too, we are ready for gigs after many years’
break. It's just a little bit sad because we have not yet any management or
booking agent to organize gigs and tours and our label, I think, have not
enough resources to organize tours. As a matter of fact in 1994 Avantgarde
Music organized a European tour for us with KATATONIA but the whole thing was
canceled just a couple of weeks before it started. Nowadays I think Avantgarde
is more careful with the things like that.
OK, let’s take a glimpse of
your albums and figure out their main ideas and differences. Let’s start right
away from your demo «A Trip To Depressive Autumn».
"Trip..." was the
demo with which we got our first recording deal. It has sold really well and it
really was a good product for a demo. Our first album "From The
Shadows" was a really dark album and I think there are not many albums of
that kind in the world. But it was badly mixed and that's why I don't like it
personally. "The Second Ring Of Power" was 100 times better than
"From The Shadows" but it didn't get the publicity it deserved, it's
sad. Then "Rapture" was the first album with our new line-up and it
differed from the others a lot and it was really a hard album to understand. You
have to listen to it about 20 times before it opens to you. I like it even when
it's more straight music than older ones. Our new album is more of the same
style. Our forthcoming album will be the best one in the band’s history. It's
really professionally produced and it contains almost the perfect playing. There
are more female vocals and it's more melodic than the earlier albums were. Wait
for "Gracefallen"...
Being a doom metal musician,
could you tell us about the roots of doom, the main influences that gave birth
to this style?
I don't know how it was born. We
just began to play the music we liked. But I think CANDLEMASS was the first, at
least one of the earliest bands to play some kind of "doom metal". Their
first albums were really slow and ultra heavy, of course more melodic, but the
basic elements were there. I have been told that we were the first band who
mixed some weird things and growling vocals to that basic heavy stuff. In the
early ‘90's, at the time when we had been playing this stuff for a couple of
years already, some other bands started to use the same elements in their
music. But as everyone can see, doom metal is now going back to those
CANDLEMASS times, becoming more melodic and involving normal vocals. Personally
I'm very pleased with what some of our fans have told about us and this
"our kind of doom metal"; people said that we created this
atmospheric, depressive or whatever it's called, doom metal. And after us there
came other bands who started to take some elements from us, to copy us. I don't
know if it is true but the fact is that there were no many bands to play that
kind of music in 1988. For example our oldest recorded song "Time Has
Gone" was made in 1988, at the times of TESTAMENT, KREATOR and POSSESSED. So
all these years we have been trying to get to other direction from what we have
made on the earlier albums, because we want to be one step ahead all the time
and find some completely new ways to make this music.
On your albums you involved
female vocals, normal vocals and growling. Why did you decide to use all types
of singing?
That is not chosen
consciously. We just use the voice that fits the best way to music. We have had
three female vocalists in our history. There was an Austrian woman on our first
one. And on the second album there was Merja Salmela and on «Rapture» as well
as on the forthcoming one Veera Muhli is singing. Veera is now our permanent
member and she will play the keyboards in concerts.
It seems that doom metal is
slowly deteriorating and now there are very few bands which play the real doom
metal. Some bands turned to pop and some began to play gothic. Actually gothic
has become the inheritor of doom...
You could be the right person
to say that. I feel I'm the wrong one because the question "what is real
doom metal?" is very hard to answer. Was or is CANDLEMASS the real doom? That
would mean that there are only few doom bands in the world. Or is the music we
play a real one? As I earlier told, it's possible that we were one of the first
bands who mixed weird, atmospheric keyboards and weird guitar chords to music
that is basically resembles old Celtic Frost but slower and with more classical
influences. What is real doom? I think we don’t play that music anymore. "From
The Shadows" could be categorized as doom from the old-school-doom point
of view. But I'm sure that there are many people who think the whole thing
appositely. Bands change their musical line because they want to evolve. As well as we do. I think doom metal (or whatever it
be called) loses its attractiveness quite fast. Sooner or later band uses its
inspiration and ideas and I don't see any reason to continue to make money (?)
with the same stuff from year to year. It's underestimation of listener. Band
has to change and seek for new challenges. So I think that's the only logical
advancement. And about turning to gothic... Gothic and doom are quite near of
each other. A little change and soon people say that "they have turned to
gothic". When our new album is out I'm quite sure that many people will
say that it's not doom. But that doesn't bother me. I think it will be just
metal... maybe with ambient, gothic and doom influences. I don't know what
music term could be good to that but I'm sure it's not doom metal. Maybe it's
Gothic Doom Metal. I’ve just made this term a few seconds ago...
One
can easily count doom metal bands in America by his fingers but in Europe there
are (or were) lots of bands playing that sort of music. Why doom metal has
become popular in Europe and hasn’t gained wide popularity among the American
audience?
Maybe it's because of the
cultural differences, maybe just because in north America there are hundreds of
bands we never heard about. I mean maybe the reason is that they just have
their own bands and there is not enough space for European marketing. But maybe
it's, as I said, a cultural question. American people, I think, are happier and
so they like faster and simpler music. But that's just questioning.
Has doom metal a future? How
might it evolve?
I think that doom metal has a
better future than black metal for example. My opinion is that doom metal will
stay the longest time in metal scene. That's because it has more composing
elements and the classical element is not the smallest. And everyone can notice
that classical music is not bounded to time. If I must - I don't believe it
either but if I just have to - name one musical line that will exist in 20
years I would say it'll be doom. There is and there will be a small scene but
the main thing is that it will stay. UNHOLY is going away from doom all the
time so I'm the wrong person to say in what direction it should develop. But I
have an idea... I think it should strive toward more original line. Not to mix
too much different styles because it might lose and disappear in the chaos of
other styles. SCEPTICISM and ESOTERIC are leading it in the right direction.
And finally, what would you
like to say to all your fans in Russia?
Stay alert! Wait for our next
album "Gracefallen" and you'll be surprised. You'll love it or you'll
hate it but there is nothing between it. It's different, it's melancholic, it's
heavy... And check our website for more information and details of UNHOLY -
http://wwnet.fi/UNHOLY/